Thierry Meyssan interviewed by RT’s Maria Finoshina on Empire’s wars on Libya & Syria [+ transcript]

Maria Finoshina:

The Libya Conflict is entering its fifth month with concerns growing that a protracted, destructive civil war has been kickstarted by a western rush to regime change. Thierry Meyssan, a french intelectual and journalist, founder and chairman of Voltaire Network and the Access For Peace Conference has been working here in Libya trying to find out the truth. Thank you very muich Thierry for being with us.

Where have you been in Libya and what have you discovered, what have you found in your time here?

Thierry Meyssan:

First of all, it’s quite obvious that the USA wanted to enter the war at the same time with Libya and Syria. That wish was made public by John Bolton in 2002. The plan was passed over to France and Britain who decided to bring it to life in November last year.
Secondly, it was neccessary to verify wheter an attempt to a coup had been made before that. A coup that could be organized by France or Britain. The attempt failed in October. After this failed attempt, another coup was planned. It envisaged killing all the heads of the libyan National Congress if they got together all in a place for a big celebration. That changed tho, after situation in the region changed, after the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. At that moment, France and Britain decided to carry out a PR operation and present this coup attempt as a people’s rebellion.

MF:

What was the aim of that regime change?

TM:

Every member of that coalition pursues their own particular goal. It is neccessary that everyone should be interested in a war. However, in terms of basic goals it is worth noting changes that have started in Africa like those that began in large areas of the middle east. There are already two zones being created. First of all it was decided to create a westafrican zone with Ivory Coast as its centre, which corresponds to the ancient ??? par, which in fact explains the french intervention in the Ivory Coast. After that it was planned to obtain a considerable part of Northern Africa, except Egypt. The latter being part of northern Africa would represent another block. In case all states are divided, control would be spread first to Marocco, and if Northern Africa is revamped ??? a conflict will have to be created. Not between Shiites and Sunnis as was attempted in the Middle East but between Arabs and Berbers. This is where the real source of the events in Benghazi is.

MF:

Are civilians dying in Libya?

TM:

Indeed, starting from the moment it was decided to launch this operation. The lives of civilians were not taken into account. Everything we used to see in the Middle East is not transpiring in this region, and this is just the beginning. It is rather a question of the rearrangement of this region. And we are up to see a series of wars.

MF

So what’s their strategy?

TM

The initial goal of this strategy was to overthrow the people’s government that was in power and to establish western authoritarianism in that country. I believe tho, that they had actually given up the plan because the military resistance proved stronger. Therefor it was decided to act in a different direction. We saw its western TV channels don’t speak of repression and rebellion anymore but it was still a war. Thus trying to prepare public opinion for a declaration that there is a need to divide the country into two parts. Cyrenaica on one side and Tripolitania on the other, with UN forces in between to separate the conflicting parties. They will say the were protecting the civilian population and that is enough and now they are deploying forces to separate the conflicting sides. Then they will declare Cyrenaica ‘s independence, set up the biggest regional U.S. military base, saying it is neccessary, you know, because they decided to start conquering Africa. They are planning to set up a military base in Benghazi to land and deploy their troops there and in about ten years to start conquering Africa. The reason even more serious problem NATO has begun a campaign on destroying the psychological resistance of the countries leaders. This campaign invisages ??? killing their families but they can’t reach them because they never stay in the same place and they are protected to spies are sent to put beacons on their homes. The children’s bedroom could be a target. It’s a systemic method of pointed liquidation. Children apparently being the main target. The task is to intimidate the parents.

MF

What do you think? Will it work? Will they achieve their goals eventually?

TM

In terms of conquering Cyrenaica this has already been a success. If on the other hand they want to go beyond, that is absolutely possible. A mass demonstration took place in Tripoli and we saw the crowd, it was huge. By taking into account the population figures it was incredible. All were there. Now all those people are armed. It would be absolutely insane to bring troops into Tripoli. It would lead to infinite slaughter.

MF

What you say is terrible, is shocking so do you the truth, this truth could ever be established, ever be recognized?

TM

I think that the lies have begun to disappeat ??? to some extent. For instance, by the time of the security council vote, everyone decided on the bases of reports submitted to the council. And the Security Council was certain that during the riots and demonstrations in Benghazi that the ??? had already killed 6000 citizens. A terrible number, but now, five months later the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (Esteban Moreno-Ocampo), which accused the libyan leadership, has reduced the number after many inspections. It has been proven that the previous number was wrong. Now the prosecutor is building up his evidence on 208 victims instead of 6000. Several more inspections will turn out that there were no victims at all. What happened in Benghazi is quite different from what we were told. In fact it was a staged event.

MF

Moving to Syria now, you say that a western imposed asset freeze could bring down the syrian government and cause the country into civil war. Is Syria so vulnerable?

TM

As for Syria, that is another question because Syria is a state with a strategic position in the Middle East. What is interesting in this affair is to see that the operation in Syria and the operation in Libya had been designed exactly the same way and should normally have ended with the same war on both sides, but they let go off Syria and i think that some states, Russia included, thought better of it and prevented the course of those operations. So that is why, at the moment, there is no war in Syria. Even if some western leaders repeat almost every day that neccessary to go to war, one of the characteristics of the system is to have islamistic extremists on this part. Let us see networks, known as being those of Al-Qaeda, and i use this term on purpose as there are some chiefs of those units we see here for having fought in Afghanistan, in Bosnia-Herzegowina, in Chechnya, in Iraq, now in Syria or Libya. Some of them in the meantime had been detained for years in Guantanamo, freed by the United States and brought on spot to continue the fight. So here the technique is always the same. They see cities which are easy to supply, located either on the coast or on the border, then they spread terror in the towm with snipers, they commit spectacular crimes with violence and barbarism which scary the whole population and they announce the creation of an islamic emerit in the city. The idea is to create bastions which can be used after to penetrate further inside the country. You can check. It’s happening like that because for example in Syria there have been various combat zones. Actually all these zones are located on the borders. There has never been any fight inside, absolutely never. And here in Libya, the events which broke out began also in coastal areas allowing supplies and preventing these emerits from being surrounded.

MF

Has international media upheld its responsability to the people of Libya?

TM

It truly happened several times a day that when something happens, Journalists are brought to the sight to show them, after which they make their reports telling quite different things than they witnessed. For example a farm was shelled several days ago. Nobody knew why, perhaps it was a mistake. Journalists were brought to show them what happened. All confirmed it was a farm. Full Stop. On the day that followed, the footage was shown on many satellite channels with captions that it had been shot in Misrata, and that Gaddafi’s troops caused the destruction, despite what the journalists had seen with their own eyes.

MF

Exactly which channel?

TM

Al Arabiyah was the first channel to that. It is a U.S. financed channel belonging to Saudi Arabia and based in the United Arab Emirates. The same report was repeated by many other sattelite channels, but this is deliberate falsification. Also we saw a scene and report not long ago, from a mobile phone about Gaddafi’s soldiers raping women. It was surely no pleasure to see the footage so some frames were blurred. It turned out tho, that someone recognized the audio was from a libyan porno movie. There are not so many libyan porno movies so that one was widely known. So that fragment was used to claim it had been a rape by Gaddafi’s troops. It was a deliberate montage, not a mistake. The USA demanded that the satellite broadcasts of libyan channels are stopped all over the world. They have already shut down the arab set channels despite Libya being a stake holder and now they are shutting down Nilesat to prevent Libya’s version to being heard in the arab world. They already shut them down on other satellites broadcasting to other countries.

MF

Thierry, thank you very much for being with us. We wish you good luck here.

TM

Thank You.

___________________________________________________________

Maria Finoshina:

The Libya Conflict is entering its fifth month with concerns growing that a protracted, destructive civil war has been kickstarted by a western rush to

regime change. Thierry Meyssan, a french intelectual and journalist, founder and chairman of Voltaire Network and the Access For Peace Conference has been

working here in Libya trying to find out the truth. Thank you very muich Thierry for being with us.

Where have you been in Libya and what have you discovered, what have you found in your time here?

Thierry Meyssan:

First of all, it’s quite obvious that the USA wanted to enter the war at the same time with Libya and Syria. That wish was made public by John Bolton in

2002. The plan was passed over to France and Britain who decided to bring it to life in November last year.
Secondly, it was neccessary to verify wheter an attempt to a coup had been made before that. A coup that could be organized by France or Britain. The attempt

failed in October. After this failed attempt, another coup was planned. It envisaged killing all the heads of the libyan National Congress if they got

together all in a place for a big celebration. That changed tho, after situation in the region changed, after the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. At that

moment, France and Britain decided to carry out a PR operation and present this coup attempt as a people’s rebellion.

MF:

What was the aim of that regime change?

TM:

Every member of that coalition pursues their own particular goal. It is neccessary that everyone should be interested in a war. However, in terms of basic

goals it is worth noting changes that have started in Africa like those that began in large areas of the middle east. There are already two zones being

created. First of all it was decided to create a westafrican zone with Ivory Coast as its centre, which corresponds to the ancient ??? par, which in fact

explains the french intervention in the Ivory Coast. After that it was planned to obtain a considerable part of Northern Africa, except Egypt. The latter

being part of northern Africa would represent another block. In case all states are divided, control would be spread first to Marocco, and if Northern Africa

is revamped ??? a conflict will have to be created. Not between Shiites and Sunnis as was attempted in the Middle East but between Arabs and Berbers. This is

where the real source of the events in Benghazi is.

MF:

Are civilians dying in Libya?

TM:

Indeed, starting from the moment it was decided to launch this operation. The lives of civilians were not taken into account. Everything we used to see in

the Middle East is not transpiring in this region, and this is just the beginning. It is rather a question of the rearrangement of this region. And we are up

to see a series of wars.

MF

So what’s their strategy?

TM

The initial goal of this strategy was to overthrow the people’s government that was in power and to establish western authoritarianism in that country. I

believe tho, that they had actually given up the plan because the military resistance proved stronger. Therefor it was decided to act in a different

direction. We saw its western TV channels don’t speak of repression and rebellion anymore but it was still a war. Thus trying to prepare public opinion for a

declaration that there is a need to divide the country into two parts. Serenaica ??? on one side and Tripolitania on the other, with UN forces in between to

separate the conflicting parties. They will say the were protecting the civilian population and that is enough and now they are deploying forces to separate

the conflicting sides. Then they will declare Cyrenaica ‘s independence, set up the biggest regional U.S. military base, saying it is neccessary, you know,

because they decided to start conquering Africa. They are planning to set up a military base in Benghazi to land and deploy their troops there and in about

ten years to start conquering Africa. The reason even more serious problem NATO has begun a campaign on destroying the psychological resistance of the

countries leaders. This campaign invisages ??? killing their families but they can’t reach them because they never stay in the same place and they are

protected to spies are sent to put beacons on their homes. The children’s bedroom could be a target. It’s a systemic method of pointed liquidation. Children

apparently being the main target. The task is to intimidate the parents.

MF

What do you think? Will it work? Will they achieve their goals eventually?

TM

In terms of conquering Cyrenaica this has already been a success. If on the other hand they want to go beyond, that is absolutely possible. A mass

demonstration took place in Tripoli and we saw the crowd, it was huge. By taking into account the population figures it was incredible. All were there. Now

all those people are armed. It would be absolutely insane to bring troops into Tripoli. It would lead to infinite slaughter.

MF

What you say is terrible, is shocking so do you the truth, this truth could ever be established, ever be recognized?

TM

I think that the lies have begun to disappeat ??? to some extent. For instance, by the time of the security council vote, everyone decided on the bases of

reports submitted to the council. And the Security Council was certain that during the riots and demonstrations in Benghazi that the ??? had already killed

6000 citizens. A terrible number, but now, five months later the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (Esteban Moreno-Ocampo), which accused the

libyan leadership, has reduced the number after many inspections. It has been proven that the previous number was wrong. Now the prosecutor is building up

his evidence on 208 victims instead of 6000. Several more inspections will turn out that there were no victims at all. What happened in Benghazi is quite

different from what we were told. In fact it was a staged event.

MF

Moving to Syria now, you say that a western imposed asset freeze could bring down the syrian government and cause the country into civil war. Is Syria so

vulnerable?

TM

As for Syria, that is another question because Syria is a state with a strategic position in the Middle East. What is interesting in this affair is to see

that the operation in Syria and the operation in Libya had been designed exactly the same way and should normally have ended with the same war on both sides,

but they let go off Syria and i think that some states, Russia included, thought better of it and prevented the course of those operations. So that is why,

at the moment, there is no war in Syria. Even if some western leaders repeat almost every day that neccessary to go to war, one of the characteristics of the

system is to have islamistic extremists on this part. Let us see networks, known as being those of Al-Qaeda, and i use this term on purpose as there are some

chiefs of those units we see here for having fought in Afghanistan, in Bosnia-Herzegowina, in Chechnya, in Iraq, now in Syria or Libya. Some of them in the

meantime had been detained for years in Guantanamo, freed by the United States and brought on spot to continue the fight. So here the technique is always the

same. They see cities which are easy to supply, located either on the coast or on the border, then they spread terror in the towm with snipers, they commit

spectacular crimes with violence and barbarism which scary the whole population and they announce the creation of an islamic emerit in the city. The idea is

to create bastions which can be used after to penetrate further inside the country. You can check. It’s happening like that because for example in Syria

there have been various combat zones. Actually all these zones are located on the borders. There has never been any fight inside, absolutely never. And here

in Libya, the events which broke out began also in coastal areas allowing supplies and preventing these emerits from being surrounded.

MF

Has international media upheld its responsability to the people of Libya?

TM

It truly happened several times a day that when something happens, Journalists are brought to the sight to show them, after which they make their reports

telling quite different things than they witnessed. For example a farm was shelled several days ago. Nobody knew why, perhaps it was a mistake. Journalists

were brought to show them what happened. All confirmed it was a farm. Full Stop. On the day that followed, the footage was shown on many satellite channels

with captions that it had been shot in Misrata, and that Gaddafi’s troops caused the destruction, despite what the journalists had seen with their own eyes.

MF

Exactly which channel?

TM

Al Arabiyah was the first channel to that. It is a U.S. financed channel belonging to Saudi Arabia and based in the United Arab Emirates. The same report was

repeated by many other sattelite channels, but this is deliberate falsification. Also we saw a scene and report not long ago, from a mobile phone about

Gaddafi’s soldiers raping women. It was surely no pleasure to see the footage so some frames were blurred. It turned out tho, that someone recognized the

audio was from a libyan porno movie. There are not so many libyan porno movies so that one was widely known. So that fragment was used to claim it had been a

rape by Gaddafi’s troops. It was a deliberate montage, not a mistake. The USA demanded that the satellite broadcasts of libyan channels are stopped all over

the world. They have already shut down the arab set channels despite Libya being a stake holder and now they are shutting down Nilesat to prevent Libya’s

version to being heard in the arab world. They already shut them down on other satellites broadcasting to other countries.

MF

Thierry, thank you very much for being with us. We wish you good luck here.

TM

Thank You.

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